prefscenter.lha utility/workbench - Comments

Tuomas (77.86.211.251) @ 07 Mar 2017, 08:16.02

Tue, 07 Mar 2017 20:16:02 +0100

By: Tuomas (77.86.211.251)

Did you put the catalog file into a correct directory ? Language stuff should work like it works always on AmigaOS really. 
 
Do you have an account in amigans.net or amigaworld.net ?

Tarzin (86.72.2.109) @ 04 Mar 2017, 03:20.28

Sat, 04 Mar 2017 15:20:28 +0100

By: Tarzin (86.72.2.109)

I've translated PrefsCenter in French but it's impossible to use the french catalog (PrefsCenter remains in english). 
How can I use my translation ? (I saw there was an installation tool for english en Finnish) 
Thanks for advance

cha05e90 (194.114.62.159) @ 14 Nov 2016, 08:57.01

Mon, 14 Nov 2016 08:57:01 +0100

By: cha05e90 (194.114.62.159)

Yes, I have that freezes, too. 
Regardless which machine (Pegasos II, Sam440ep, X1000). I suspect the drawer.gadget as well.

Tuomas (77.86.211.251) @ 13 Nov 2016, 11:14.22

Sun, 13 Nov 2016 23:14:22 +0100

By: Tuomas (77.86.211.251)

@user 
I have suspected something like that myself. I don't know if the problem is in the drawer.gadget of PrefsCenter. But such problem is something which have to get fixed some day. Could you make a test disabling BACKDROP tooltype if it makes it better ? Sorry for inconvinience.

user (95.245.233.19) @ 12 Nov 2016, 12:28.00

Sat, 12 Nov 2016 12:28:00 +0100

By: user (95.245.233.19)

It makes my X1000 totally unstable. 
After I launch the prefs program the X1000 freezes in a matter of 30 seconds.

cha05e90 (194.114.62.123) @ 04 Apr 2016, 10:13.03

Mon, 04 Apr 2016 10:13:03 +0200

By: cha05e90 (194.114.62.123)

In contrast to the old version the new version only shows the icon/prefs program name in the user tab, *not* the user defined "Label". The predefined tabs seem to work ok (means: showing your predefined labels instead of the original icon/program name).

Severin (84.51.187.249) @ 03 Apr 2016, 02:57.11

Sun, 03 Apr 2016 02:57:11 +0200

By: Severin (84.51.187.249)

> The font of the rastport of the window is used which should be the system font set in Fonts prefs. I cannot understand how it could be different. 
The software tab is using either drawer text font or screen font (both set to the same on my system) and the other tabs are using system default font. 
 
> Yes, sys:mui/mui is used. 
That's wrong, MUI:MUI should always be used, it was designed to be installed anywhere by the user not just sys: 
 
> If AISS is not installed so something that doesn't exist cannot be used obviously. 
AISS is installed. turn it on in prefs and save and it's disabled in tooltypes with brackets probably because it's not found. 
Again like MUI prefs, AISS images should be acessed through TBImages: not sys:prefs/presets/tbimages that you're using (confirmed with snoopy). NEVER hardcode a path unless you are totally certain everyone uses it eg. sys:prefs is fine but anything that is assigned should always use the assign. This includes C, Libs, Fonts, MUI, locale, TBImages etc. 
 
> Explain word "shudder" ? 
The icons are drawn then they are shifted to the right a little and redrawn.

Author (77.86.211.251) @ 03 Apr 2016, 02:40.03

Sun, 03 Apr 2016 02:40:03 +0200

By: Author (77.86.211.251)

If anything is missing from AmigaOS complain to Hyperion-Entertainment.

Author (77.86.211.251) @ 03 Apr 2016, 02:37.47

Sun, 03 Apr 2016 02:37:47 +0200

By: Author (77.86.211.251)

>"low contrast red text" 
The default system palette and pens are used.

Author (77.86.211.251) @ 03 Apr 2016, 02:26.06

Sun, 03 Apr 2016 02:26:06 +0200

By: Author (77.86.211.251)

>"Different font used" 
The font of the rastport of the window is used which should be the system font set in Fonts prefs. I cannot understand how it could be different. 
 
>"Text is truncated" 
That's the selected design. Also AmigaOS doesn't have a word wrapper library to use. 
 
>"sys:mui/mui" 
Yes, sys:mui/mui is used. 
 
>"USE_AISS is on by default in the icon tooltypes but there are no images" 
If AISS is not installed so something that doesn't exist cannot be used obviously. 
 
>"In simple mode when switching tabs the icons 'shudder'" 
Explain word "shudder" ?

Author (77.86.211.251) @ 03 Apr 2016, 02:04.35

Sun, 03 Apr 2016 02:04:35 +0200

By: Author (77.86.211.251)

In any case of problems just keep using the old version which is included in the package.

Severin (84.51.187.249) @ 02 Apr 2016, 03:02.57

Sat, 02 Apr 2016 15:02:57 +0200

By: Severin (84.51.187.249)

A few comments about the latest version... 
 
Different font used for text in the 2nd and 3rd tabs (not tried the 4th yet). 
 
Icon max size is ignored. 
 
Window size is not calculated to adjust to the specified cell size. 
 
Text is truncated if it doesn't fit in a cell instead of being wrappaed. 
 
Visually the old one looks better and is easier to read, boring gray background in new one, low contrast red text for category titles, No I'm not going to alter GUI prefs just to make prefs center readable and mess up every other program. 
 
MUI prefs does not work here, no icon, can't click on the area. hardcoded to sys:/mui/mui instead of mui:mui maybe? 
 
USE_AISS is on by default in the icon tooltypes but there are no images, it shows it as off in prefs. I turned it on in the prefs and saved. It disabled it in the icon tooltypes. 
 
Window fade in/out gone or broken? 
 
MODE tooltype doesn't seem to do anything. 
 
Switching to simple display causes the scrollbar to shrink making it look like there's about 20 pages to scroll through but in reality there's one line of icons, when the scroller is dragged to the bottom the text under the bottom line of icons cut off. 
 
In simple mode when switching tabs the icons 'shudder'.

Edward Teach (2.84.87.126) @ 02 Apr 2016, 02:43.34

Sat, 02 Apr 2016 02:43:34 +0200

By: Edward Teach (2.84.87.126)

We are all poor Amigans my friend...

Author (77.86.211.251) @ 01 Apr 2016, 11:01.53

Fri, 01 Apr 2016 23:01:53 +0200

By: Author (77.86.211.251)

DON'T CALL PEOPLE POOR !!!

Author (77.86.211.251) @ 01 Apr 2016, 11:00.58

Fri, 01 Apr 2016 23:00:58 +0200

By: Author (77.86.211.251)

Check version 1.6.

Edward Teach (2.84.87.126) @ 01 Apr 2016, 08:57.42

Fri, 01 Apr 2016 20:57:42 +0200

By: Edward Teach (2.84.87.126)

Sorry, but is this new version ugly than the previous one or is it me? Also it reacts slower than the previous version and the catalog files are out of date. Author didn't even bother to contact translators of the previous version in order to update their catalogs. Poor...

Srtest (79.178.202.183) @ 01 Apr 2016, 03:33.58

Fri, 01 Apr 2016 15:33:58 +0200

By: Srtest (79.178.202.183)

I can't change settings it gives me a DSI followed by ISI. 
 
When you add something to user preferences once, then delete that entry, then try again to add anything - nothing shows up.

Reth (194.11.254.132) @ 27 Apr 2011, 04:02.14

Wed, 27 Apr 2011 16:02:14 +0200

By: Reth (194.11.254.132)

Good thing! 
 
I first recognized sth. like this in one of the latest MOS-Releases and was impressed. 
Maybe this one here can get some of the ideas (regarding alignment and sorting) from the MOS counterpart (see here for example: http://www.amiga-magazin.de/magazin/a09-08/mos2/bild1.jpg)?

Tuomas (84.248.40.19) @ 06 Apr 2011, 10:01.50

Wed, 06 Apr 2011 22:01:50 +0200

By: Tuomas (84.248.40.19)

@djrikki 
Thanks ! It's uploaded to OpenAmiga and they have my permission.

Tuomas (84.248.40.19) @ 06 Apr 2011, 10:00.47

Wed, 06 Apr 2011 22:00:47 +0200

By: Tuomas (84.248.40.19)

>"I cannot see the Add and Remove application buttons" 
They were moved to the last tab/page. Screen grabs are from older 1.1 version. I'm going to upload new screen shots soon.

djrikki (81.104.215.132) @ 06 Apr 2011, 09:27.17

Wed, 06 Apr 2011 21:27:17 +0200

By: djrikki (81.104.215.132)

PS.  I cannot see the Add and Remove application buttons as shown in the submitted screenshots.

djrikki (81.104.215.132) @ 06 Apr 2011, 09:24.59

Wed, 06 Apr 2011 21:24:59 +0200

By: djrikki (81.104.215.132)

Just installed this excellent application, does exactly what it says on the tin!  I highly recommend Hyperion consider this for exclusion in next OS distribution; with permission from Tuomas of course!

Tuomas (84.248.40.19) @ 05 Nov 2010, 06:06.17

Fri, 05 Nov 2010 18:06:17 +0100

By: Tuomas (84.248.40.19)

Shouldn't 16bit screens have alpha channel too ? OS bug ?

Amigo1 (93.197.139.64) @ 05 Nov 2010, 04:33.10

Fri, 05 Nov 2010 16:33:10 +0100

By: Amigo1 (93.197.139.64)

mmh.. if memory serves well, the icons where aligned on the very first version (or was it an alpha?). 
Anyway, the small program is great! :-) 
 
Comment by: Tuomas (84.248.40.19)	At: 03 Nov 2010, 12:29	File version: 1.3 
Quote: "would it be possible to align the icons to a grid?" 
I've tried but it wasn't possible. 
 
Quote:"it looks a bit scattered" 
Yes, it does.

kas1e (78.36.154.30) @ 04 Nov 2010, 08:44.52

Thu, 04 Nov 2010 20:44:52 +0100

By: kas1e (78.36.154.30)

Same black borders for me on 16bit screen. Older versions was fine.

Severin (83.67.70.55) @ 04 Nov 2010, 08:35.29

Thu, 04 Nov 2010 20:35:29 +0100

By: Severin (83.67.70.55)

@che05e90 & Toumas 
 
I use a 16 bit workbench (1680x1050), switching to 32 bit solves the problem. I don't know where the bug is that causes the problem is though.

cha05e90 (84.134.75.118) @ 04 Nov 2010, 05:50.09

Thu, 04 Nov 2010 05:50:09 +0100

By: cha05e90 (84.134.75.118)

Strange. I have the same bitmap.image 53.6 class (OS4.1u2). No problems here - @Severin: What screen mode/depth do you have on Workbench?

Tuomas (84.248.40.19) @ 03 Nov 2010, 10:46.33

Wed, 03 Nov 2010 22:46:33 +0100

By: Tuomas (84.248.40.19)

@Severin 
Do you have any ideas what could be wrong ?

Severin (83.67.70.55) @ 03 Nov 2010, 07:21.13

Wed, 03 Nov 2010 19:21:13 +0100

By: Severin (83.67.70.55)

@Tuomas 
I have the latest beta OS4.1u2, with a newer bitmap.image than yours.

Tuomas (84.248.40.19) @ 03 Nov 2010, 06:33.26

Wed, 03 Nov 2010 18:33:26 +0100

By: Tuomas (84.248.40.19)

@Severin 
Do you have AmigaOS 4.1 Update2 ? If you have then we have to compare our system settings to find out why it works here but not on your system. If you don't maybe I have to put the old code back using info.datatype as fallback option and change requirements in the readme. Version of BitMap Image class on my system is: bitmap.image 53.6 (29.9.09).

Tuomas (84.248.40.19) @ 03 Nov 2010, 06:29.44

Wed, 03 Nov 2010 18:29:44 +0100

By: Tuomas (84.248.40.19)

Quote: "would it be possible to align the icons to a grid?" 
I've tried but it wasn't possible. 
 
Quote:"it looks a bit scattered" 
Yes, it does.

amigo1 (93.197.139.180) @ 03 Nov 2010, 06:10.01

Wed, 03 Nov 2010 18:10:01 +0100

By: amigo1 (93.197.139.180)

would it be possible to align the icons to a grid? it looks a bit scattered IMHO :-)

Trifide (95.237.234.250) @ 03 Nov 2010, 04:46.07

Wed, 03 Nov 2010 16:46:07 +0100

By: Trifide (95.237.234.250)

@ cha05e90 
Downloaded and installed the png.iconmodule. 
Work very fine, thank you very much! Powericons removed and trashed! :-)

cha05e90 (194.114.62.72) @ 03 Nov 2010, 03:16.09

Wed, 03 Nov 2010 15:16:09 +0100

By: cha05e90 (194.114.62.72)

Please uninstall PowerIcons - it's a hack. Install the png.iconmodule (here at os4depot).

Trifide (79.50.237.101) @ 03 Nov 2010, 02:10.37

Wed, 03 Nov 2010 14:10:37 +0100

By: Trifide (79.50.237.101)

@ cha05e90 
On my OS4.1 I installed the powericons patch, and the prefscenter not show this icons, but empty box! why?

cha05e90 (194.114.62.72) @ 03 Nov 2010, 08:42.11

Wed, 03 Nov 2010 08:42:11 +0100

By: cha05e90 (194.114.62.72)

...for what do you need PowerIconsPatch???

Trifide (79.41.236.192) @ 03 Nov 2010, 07:58.42

Wed, 03 Nov 2010 07:58:42 +0100

By: Trifide (79.41.236.192)

In this new release not show icons in powericons patch. :(

Severin (83.67.70.55) @ 02 Nov 2010, 10:40.41

Tue, 02 Nov 2010 22:40:41 +0100

By: Severin (83.67.70.55)

The new version has ugly black borders round the icons. Snapshot here: 
http://www.am1ga.net/Grab023.jpg

gregthecanuck (96.48.247.159) @ 21 Oct 2010, 05:25.34

Thu, 21 Oct 2010 05:25:34 +0200

By: gregthecanuck (96.48.247.159)

Very nice program. 
 
Overall layout suggestion: Too many boxes! Many programs are guilty of this and it makes a simple window way too cluttered/busy. 
 
1. Remove the boxes around each group of items. 
...A simple horizontal line between each group should be enough. 
 
2. Remove the box around the add/remove buttons 
 
3. Remove the box around the add/remove/close buttons. 
 
Just some tweaks to a great idea. Thanks.

kas1e (78.36.133.12) @ 17 Oct 2010, 06:06.53

Sun, 17 Oct 2010 18:06:53 +0200

By: kas1e (78.36.133.12)

@Tuomas 
New version (1.2) rokz. That fade in/out effect looks very nasty too, and introducing of classic "menu" by right mouse button are good idea too. Mouse wheel also works for fast moving over the tabs  :) 
 
If you dont mind, there is few ideas: 
 
-- enable/disable of fade in/out effect (just for better configurability) by tooltypes/gui 
-- add ability for user, to configure where place his icons, spliting it on "areas" and so on 
-- maybe ability to rename text-info in the system panels (just for better configurability as well) ? 
-- just a madness idea - maybe give that "default" look to the user at the first run, but give ability to change/remove/add/regroup every icons in every tabs ? 
 
Imho as Orgin point you need to add that project to OpenAmiga, so Hyperion will add it to the next releases of OS, as one more default icon to default AmiDock. 
 
Btw, right now put prefscenter icon on my AmiDock, and looks liki i will use it only like this now. 
 
Thanks for, its indeed nasty program which should be in os4 already.

cha05e90 (84.134.33.33) @ 15 Oct 2010, 11:18.15

Fri, 15 Oct 2010 23:18:15 +0200

By: cha05e90 (84.134.33.33)

@Tuomas 
Oh dear, you're right - I wasn't aware, that there's the possibilty to add keyboard shortcuts to AmiDock stuff.

orgin @ 14 Oct 2010, 07:25.10

Thu, 14 Oct 2010 07:25:10 +0200

By: orgin

Perhaps you'd be interested to submit this to OpenAmiga.org?

Tuomas (84.248.40.19) @ 13 Oct 2010, 11:18.50

Wed, 13 Oct 2010 23:18:50 +0200

By: Tuomas (84.248.40.19)

@cha05e90 
Quote: "- would be nice if PrefsCenter could be a commodity, which leads to request two: 
- while it can be started from WBStartup as an commodity it would be perfect if there would be the usual CX_POPUP=NO option possible AND the *enabled* docky icon. So you can start it at startup and have the prefs accessible through a AmiDock docky icon " 
As a second thought. It doesn't have to be that way. Put its icon into one of your AmiDock panels and give it a keyboard shortcut in AmiDock prefs. It doesn't have to be a commodity at all.

djrikki (81.104.215.132) @ 11 Oct 2010, 10:10.44

Mon, 11 Oct 2010 22:10:44 +0200

By: djrikki (81.104.215.132)

Now this is what I am talking about.  Starting to look real professional... if everything works as intended I would suggest doing what you can to try and push to get this included in the OS or recognised in AmiUpdate.  When I get the new Amiga this is the kind of thing I wanna see from day one.

netrot (93.218.121.14) @ 09 Oct 2010, 03:28.05

Sat, 09 Oct 2010 03:28:05 +0200

By: netrot (93.218.121.14)

Nice, very easy to use thx :)

Tuomas (84.248.40.19) @ 08 Oct 2010, 07:48.48

Fri, 08 Oct 2010 19:48:48 +0200

By: Tuomas (84.248.40.19)

@cha05e90 
I was thinking that already but didn't implement it yet. ;-)

cha05e90 (84.134.28.3) @ 08 Oct 2010, 07:02.19

Fri, 08 Oct 2010 19:02:19 +0200

By: cha05e90 (84.134.28.3)

It's getting better with every release, thanks! Here's a feature request: 
- would be nice if PrefsCenter could be a commodity, which leads to request two: 
- while it can be started from WBStartup as an commodity it would be perfect if there would be the usual CX_POPUP=NO option possible AND the *enabled* docky icon. So you can start it at startup and have the prefs accessible through a AmiDock docky icon

Tuomas (84.248.40.19) @ 07 Oct 2010, 06:38.05

Thu, 07 Oct 2010 18:38:05 +0200

By: Tuomas (84.248.40.19)

Quote: "editing everything from the main gui" 
Maybe some day. It's some work always.

kas1e (95.54.89.58) @ 07 Oct 2010, 01:18.11

Thu, 07 Oct 2010 13:18:11 +0200

By: kas1e (95.54.89.58)

[quote] 
Enable ENABLE_P96_PREFS tooltype ! 
[/quote] 
Yep, bu imho for such kind of program will be cool to have editing everything from the main gui. Like user just run it, and setup as he want all of this.

Tuomas (84.248.40.19) @ 07 Oct 2010, 11:56.46

Thu, 07 Oct 2010 11:56:46 +0200

By: Tuomas (84.248.40.19)

Quote: "For example i want to add P96setup to Peripherals/Video, but looks like i cant ?" 
Enable ENABLE_P96_PREFS tooltype ! 
 
Quote: "Sadly that i cant remove/add/move icons in the main tabs (but still i have buttons remove/add for them) and can only add/remove in user tabs. " 
I was making experiments to make it possible to add user stuff to any groups and pages. I tried to put Add and Remove buttons back to last page but I had made such changes in the code it wasn't that simple any more. I wanted to release this version now anyway.

kas1e (78.36.139.155) @ 07 Oct 2010, 09:31.52

Thu, 07 Oct 2010 09:31:52 +0200

By: kas1e (78.36.139.155)

New version nice ! 
 
Sadly that i cant remove/add/move icons in the main tabs (but still i have buttons remove/add for them) and can only add/remove in user tabs. 
 
For example i want to add P96setup to Peripherals/Video, but looks like i cant ? 
 
Anyway good that it have updated , much better to use this, in compare with all the time going to system:prefs and found right icon.

Tuomas (84.248.40.19) @ 19 Sep 2010, 09:14.31

Sun, 19 Sep 2010 21:14:31 +0200

By: Tuomas (84.248.40.19)

You need info.datatype installed to make icons visible. (I hope info.datatype/similar functionality will be official part of the AmigaOS someday.)

ggw (66.90.154.31) @ 09 Sep 2010, 01:15.04

Thu, 09 Sep 2010 01:15:04 +0200

By: ggw (66.90.154.31)

I'm with djrikki. Needs graphics

djrikki (81.104.215.132) @ 05 Sep 2010, 01:17.57

Sun, 05 Sep 2010 13:17:57 +0200

By: djrikki (81.104.215.132)

Any chance you can populate this program with Mason Icons as opposed to text?  If so your on to a winner, at the moment it doesn't look very appealing.

Severin (83.67.70.55) @ 25 Nov 2009, 01:00.14

Wed, 25 Nov 2009 01:00:14 +0100

By: Severin (83.67.70.55)

Yeah, I agree it needs to be more configurable with a 4th tab for user prefs as well as being able to change the default entries. I think the real program name should be used instead of having it in brackets, displayed in a larger font and a smaller font for the description (maybe user configurable in a tooltype) or maybe put the description in a help bubble.

cha05e90 (84.134.95.206) @ 21 Nov 2009, 09:16.46

Sat, 21 Nov 2009 21:16:46 +0100

By: cha05e90 (84.134.95.206)

Nice one. Although the layout is sometimes a littlebit "flaky".  Perfect would be a the possibility to add "other" preferences into the Network, Hardware etc. sections with their own description (i.e. I would  like to add third party prefs like "Netprinter Prefs" to the printer section...)